Talk:Lore Character Template - Revision history

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	The changes are now live in the wiki and page templates. I have ~~been updating~~ the pages ~~that use~~ the template with the ~~new parameters. I have completed up~~ to ~~'''Hare Aralea'''. I will continue working on this tonight or tomorrow.~~		The changes are now live in the wiki and page templates. I have implemented the changes to the wiki template on every character page that used it. However, many of the pages still need a general cleanup to match the standardized section headers of this page template, along with a rewriting of the information to fit with the in-character present tense described in [[Creating and Editing Lore Articles#Tense, Person, View]]

	~~The list I have been using is found here: http://ac.wikkii.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Character_Summary~~		--[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 03:32, 8 November 2010 (EST)

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			The changes are now live in the wiki and page templates. I have been updating the pages that use the template with the new parameters. I have completed up to '''Hare Aralea'''. I will continue working on this tonight or tomorrow.

			The list I have been using is found here: http://ac.wikkii.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Character_Summary

			--[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 09:44, 7 November 2010 (EST)
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			I've made a few more changes. I believe that my sandbox template is in good enough shape to go live, so I will be implementing the changes to the {{tl\|Character Summary}} template and [[Lore Character Template]].

			--[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 01:33, 7 November 2010 (EST)
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			My thought with the true/false racial/cultural categories is that if we ever need to add a new race to the template, it would be extremely easy to do so. Since each variable does not need to be included, only the ones set to true, we wouldn't even need to go back and edit in false values to older articles. I also think that by making the categories true/false options in the page template, it makes it much easier for people to categorize pages. They don't need to worry about spelling the category correctly, or remember to add it to the bottom of the page. Its right in front of them as they are filling out the first section of the page.
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			On the dates - I agree, having some sort of era listing would be nice, since specific dates are so often hard to find. I think I will add an Eras variable, in addition to the specific dates. So for example, Asheron's character summary would look something like:
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			'''Asheron'''
			:'''Race:'''
			::Yalaini
			:'''Associated Groups:'''
			:* [[The Order of the Perfect Light]]
			:* [[Asheron's Order of Sentinels]]
			:'''Era(s) Active:'''
			:* [[Rhethis Eipoth]]
			:* [[Torethis Eipoth]]
			:* [[Hyrethis Eipoth]]
			:* [[Moriqui Eipoth]]
			:* [[PY Era]] (or something similar, something to differentiate the last empyrean era with the present era)
			:'''Important dates:'''
			:* RE 336 (date of birth)
			:* HE 647 (casts The Sundering)
			:'''Related characters:'''
			:* [[Atlan]] (Father)
			:* [[Maila Realaidain]] (Mother)
			:* [[Elysa Strathelar]]
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			Top menu - I am going to remove the dashes between the smaller related pages. They only display correctly if the first and last are set to true, and rather than dealing with a ton of variables to control whether or not the dashes appear, I'll just replace them with non-breaking spaces. I agree, it will look a bit crowded if all are set to true, but I don't think that will be a very common occurrence.
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			On the item table wrapping issues - I honestly didn't notice this, I usually run the wiki full screen at 1680x1050. Looks like (for me anyways) it begins to push the items below the summary when the window width is about 1000-1050px. So that is something we'll probably have to look into if we assume 1024x768 as the most common viewing size. But for now, if it is an issue we can instead use {{tl\|Item Table Three}} or {{tl\|Item Table Two}} so there are fewer columns.
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			ToC - Well that is kind of the choice we have to make. A nice looking ToC across the top with fixed, predetermined items, or the auto-generated wiki ToC. I do not think the Top Menu needs a link to the first section of the article, as that is going to be directly below it. However, if the main lore section has sub-headers, it could be an issue. I could look into creating, say, 3-4 customizable Top Menu links, where if you enter the exact name of the section, it will create a link to it. But that is something which can be worked on later.

			--[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 00:34, 7 November 2010 (EST)
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	Let me know what you think. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 12:41, 1 November 2010 (EST)		Let me know what you think. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 12:41, 1 November 2010 (EST)
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			* I like the idea of "Associated Groups", a lot actually ;).
			* The whole template looks great for Asheron, so for major characters it would work pretty well I guess.
			* Setting the categories to True and False: I think this will work for Major or Minor character, since there are only two options available. I don't know (but would have to test this in practice) how it will work for the "Race" entry. Adding the categories automatically would be a rather big benefit though.
			* Display options for the Character Lore Summary: this will work fine I think.
			:* If no entry is given for the Name of the character, an idea would be to set the default to the PAGENAME.
			:* "Race": I think this is a rather essential entry. If nothing is entered here, the fact that the race is "Unknown" is something informational too.
			:* Dates: Yep, if no dates are entered here, it should disappear. I don't know however, for some characters at least a period when they were "active" is known. Maybe in the description of the template, ask people to enter at least some sort of indication, for example the Empyrean epoches, or at least "pre-Sundering"? This will give a one-look overview, without reading through the maybe large amount of text.
			* Top Menu: looks a lot better than the right side ToC. I don't know however (would need to test it) how the "smaller" entries under Related Pages will look when only those that are actually used are shown. When all entries are shown, it looks rather crowded, though it would work wonderful for navigational purposes
			:* It would indeed be a nice idea to have the top bar disappear for small entries. Already small entries (with one or two sentences) look a bit weird with the huge "Reference" caption. No clue how to get it to work automatically, because it would have to search for the length of the page to determine if it would be necessary to display or not.
			:* I don't know how workable it will be to set so many parameters to True or False to make them show in the top bar. A way to work around it is probably to let the "major" entries set by default to True, and the smaller to "False", just to make it easier. I don't know how it is done in the Quest template, would have to look into it. I tried experimenting in my [[User:Sanddh/Sandbox\|Sandbox]] to see if Ifexist also can take a look at captions, but alas... guess setting True or False is the only way.
			* Looking at the example of Asheron, I wonder if it would be possible to wrap for example the Item Tables or the Images section around the Character Lore Summary, so that you don't have to scroll down over some empty page section. Would need to play with wrapping and/or floating parameters prolly for the Summary though.
			* If a Top Menu is going to be used, what will be missing will be a ToC for the first, basic, part of the article. Especially with Major Characters, using captions to structure that basic part would not be a bad idea. However, these caption can't be shown in the top bar. A separate ToC for that section would be an ugly workaround.

			--[[User:Sanddh\|Sanddh]] 13:05, 2 November 2010 (EST)
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