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== Page Discussion ==
=== Level restrictions and recommendations ===
I generally approve of the cleanup to my earlier cleanup, in regards to the last field having been found. I wanted to note that the entries on level restriction and recommendation were very confusing, so I made changes in that regard. What was missing in the latest revision was the fact that you must be level 50+ to even get a stone. All of the level recommendations that were less than level 50 were completely superfluous and confusing at that point; I see no good in recommending someone be 20+ to complete a segment of a quest that you must be 50+ to initiate.
I understand the styles and conventions of the wiki give level recommendations to quests, and it might indeed be helpful to include these (and I use "might" with great deference, as I find the level recommendations on this wiki to be completely subjective and meaningless), but they should only go in places where the individual recommendation is greater than 50. I removed them all because there are only four fields which have a level requirement higher than 50 and in each case the level recommendation was equal to the level requirement. (One could argue for the Aerfalle field that the recommendation should be a bit higher, but I tend to have difficulty in generating subjective requirements, so I did not include a revised number.)
I don't claim to have used the single "best" approach and would welcome further revisions to my input, but it must remain clear, first and foremost, that one must be at least level 50 to get the stone in the first place. I would prefer not to see level recommendations that do more to confuse than enlighten (ie, less than 50), but I might be convinced otherwise on that point.
On a final note, I put "35" as the level requirement on the two near the obsidian rim portal because that portal, by far the most effective route to the area, has a level 35 requirement. This is not reflected in the wiki entry for this portal, and I will modify it next. It's theoretically possible to reach this area on a level 5, but given the instructions' reference to that portal, it made sense to use its level restriction.
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[[User:Elije|Elije]] 21:21, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
:My bad. I totally blanked on the 50+ req for the quest when I added in those restrictions and suggestions. Thanks for cleaning it up. --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 22:21, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
=== Does the chest trick work? ===
The bottom of the article implies you can open the chest and then close it and allow another to loot.  You cannot.  The grand chest automatically locks instantly on close.  The wiki page should be updated to reflect this. (Unsigned comment, moved here from the bottom of the page in an unrelated section)
I have not personally tested this, but I must assume that it was at least possible to do when written, as he and others have done it. (I've seen a completely separate writeup on a private board for the same thing, with several people who had done it and replied.) The instructions don't explicitly state to *close* the chest, which is perhaps where your experience differs. Perhaps merely opening the chest and logging while it's open will do the trick? [[User:Elije|Elije]] 21:37, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
:maybe by "open" they mean "unlock". Unlock with one character, quickly switch to another, ''then'' open it. I'd assume you could also use this trick by dual logging 2 accounts, which would be perhaps a little safer too. --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 22:24, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
:I confirmed last night that *unlocking* then switching works. I don't know if *opening* works, but since we know unlocking does, I changed that word in the Notes to prevent any trouble. [[User:Elije|Elije]] 15:47, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
== Checked Locations ==
''See also: [http://forums.ac.turbine.com/showthread.php?t=45124 this thread] on the Turbine Boards''
''See also: [http://forums.ac.turbine.com/showthread.php?t=45124 this thread] on the Turbine Boards''
== Checked Locations ==
<font color=red><b>Search is complete! All 20 locations have been found. The following is for historical purposes</b></font>
 
=== Standing Stone / Mana Field Locations ===
=== Standing Stone / Mana Field Locations ===
Items on this table are the most likely places. They feature 2+ [[Empyrean Standing Stone]]s, '''OR''' a mana restoring field (<font color=green>You feel a great swell of power rise from the ground beneath you, restoring # points of your mana</font>), '''OR''' both.
Items on this table are the most likely places. They feature 2+ [[Empyrean Standing Stone]]s, '''OR''' a mana restoring field (<font color=green>You feel a great swell of power rise from the ground beneath you, restoring # points of your mana</font>), '''OR''' both.
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| #12
| #12
|-
|-
| 87.3N, 51.2E <br>87.3N, 41.6E ??
| 87.3N, 51.2E
| [[Devastated Falatacot Temple]]<br>[[Corrupted Falatacot Temple]] ??
| [[Devastated Falatacot Temple]]
|align=center| no
|align=center| no
|align=center| yes
|align=center| yes
| #13
| #13
|-
|-
| ??
| 87.3N, 41.6E
| ??
| [[Corrupted Falatacot Temple]]
|align=center| ??
|align=center| no
|align=center| ??
|align=center| yes
| #14
| #14
|-
|-
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| No response
| No response
|-
|-
|  29.0N 58.7E
|  29.0N, 58.7E
| [[29.0N, 58.8E - Drudge Camp]]
| [[29.0N, 58.8E - Drudge Camp]]
|align=center| yes
|align=center| yes
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| No response
| No response
|-
|-
| 81.5N 25.0E
| 81.5N, 25.0E
| [[Northwatch Castle Black Market]] (cave entrance)
| [[Northwatch Castle Black Market]] (cave entrance)
|align=center| no
|align=center| no
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| No response
| No response
|-
|-
| 81.5N 25.0E
| 81.5N, 25.0E
| [[Northwatch Castle Black Market]] (inside)
| [[Northwatch Castle Black Market]] (inside)
|align=center| no
|align=center| no
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==== Osteth ====
==== Osteth ====
* [[81.4N, 32.9W - Crystal Shrine]]
* [[81.4N, 32.9W - Crystal Shrine]]
* [[A'mun Node Pyramid]]
* [[Battlefield of Ayn Tayan]]
* [[Battlefield of Ayn Tayan]]
* [[Bone Lair]]
* [[Burun Burrow]]
* [[Carved Cave]]
* [[Caulnalain Vestibule]]
* [[Caulnalain Vestibule]]
* [[Crater Caves]]
* [[Crater Caves]]
* [[Crypt of Ashen Tears]]
* [[Crystal Mine Extreme]]
* [[Crystal Mine Extreme]]
* [[Decrepit Tower]]
* [[Decrepit Tower]]
* [[Dungeon Manor]]
* [[Dungeon Nye]]
* [[Dungeon of Tatters]]
* [[Empyrean Fire Propylaeum]]
* [[Empyrean Fire Propylaeum]]
* [[Empyrean Foundry]]
* [[Empyrean Foundry]]
* [[Empyrean Garrison]]
* [[Empyrean Ice Propylaeum]]
* [[Empyrean Ice Propylaeum]]
* [[Empyrean Lightning Propylaeum]]
* [[Empyrean Lightning Propylaeum]]
* [[Enkindled Souls]]
* [[Enkindled Souls]]
* [[Entrance to Portal Space]]
* [[Entrance to Portal Space]]
* [[Esper Node Pyramid]]
* [[Fathomless Chasm Abyss]]
* [[Fathomless Chasm Abyss]]
* [[Fenmalain Vestibule Quest]]
* [[Fenmalain Vestibule Quest]]
* [[Filos' Doom]]
* [[Four Towers]]
* [[Four Towers]]
* [[Frore]]
* [[Frore]]
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** [[Lost City of Frore]]
** [[Lost City of Frore]]
* [[Fycheck Ruins]]
* [[Fycheck Ruins]]
* [[Glenden Wood Dungeon]]
* [[Hidden Laboratory]]
* [[Hidden Laboratory]]
* [[Holtburg Dungeon]]
* [[Inner Dungeon]]
* [[Inner Dungeon]]
* [[Linvak Node Pyramid]]
* [[Lost Garden Ruins]]
* [[Mage Academy]]
* [[Mage Academy]]
* [[Mar'uun]]
* [[Mar'uun]]
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* [[Mount Esper]]
* [[Mount Esper]]
* [[Mountain Fortress]]
* [[Mountain Fortress]]
* [[Mountain Keep]]
* [[Northern Quiddity Dungeon]]
* [[Northern Quiddity Dungeon]]
* [[Old Mine]]
* [[Olthoi Chasm]]
* [[Olthoi Chasm]]
* [[Patriarch's Valley]]
* [[Patriarch's Valley]]
* [[Paul the Monouga]] & [[Babe the Blue Auroch]]
* [[Paul the Monouga]] & [[Babe the Blue Auroch]]
* [[Phyntos Menace]]
* [[Rithwic Crypt]]
* [[Saadia's Retreat]]
* '''[[Stonehold]] Area''' - Most/all POIs from Stonehold to Westward portal, and from westward portal drop to former carved cave entrance + zefir tower.
* '''[[Stonehold]] Area''' - Most/all POIs from Stonehold to Westward portal, and from westward portal drop to former carved cave entrance + zefir tower.
* [[Serac Vault]]
* [[Serac Vault]]
* [[Shoushi Grotto]]
* [[Small Icecave]]
* [[Smugglers Hideaway]]
* [[Stonehold Standing Stone]]
* [[Stonehold Standing Stone]]
* [[Sylsfear Dungeon]]
* [[Sylsfear Dungeon]]
* [[Temple of the Stirring Shadow]]
* [[Temple of the Stirring Shadow]]
* [[The Pit]]
* [[The Pit]]
* [[Thieves' Den]]
* [[Tomb of the Dead]]
* [[Viamontian Esper Mine]]
* [[Viamontian Esper Mine]]
* [[Warded Portal, Into the Darkness]] (dungeon of [[Orisis]])
* [[Warded Portal, Into the Darkness]] (dungeon of [[Orisis]])
* [[Wedding Trials]]
* [[Wedding Trials]]
* [[Xarabydun]] (everywhere)
* [[Xarabydun]] (everywhere)
* [[Yanshi Tunnels]]
* [[Yaraq Tunnels]]


==== Direlands ====
==== Direlands ====
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* [[Font of the Eternal Harvester]] (Tome of Blood and Bone)
* [[Font of the Eternal Harvester]] (Tome of Blood and Bone)
* '''[[Fort Tethana]] Area''' - Various POIs east of Teth, such as the abandoned towers in the valleys, 2 tumerok forts, and the entrances and insides of both mt. naipenset and mountain halls. This includes the mana restoring pool outside naipenset.
* '''[[Fort Tethana]] Area''' - Various POIs east of Teth, such as the abandoned towers in the valleys, 2 tumerok forts, and the entrances and insides of both mt. naipenset and mountain halls. This includes the mana restoring pool outside naipenset.
* [[Halls of Lost Light]]
* [[Harraag's Hideout]] (AKA prodigal Bandering part 1)
* [[Harraag's Hideout]] (AKA prodigal Bandering part 1)
* [[Hieromancer's Halls]]
* [[Hieromancer's Halls]]
* [[Ishaq's Cellar]]
* [[Ishaq's Cellar]]
* [[Mount Lethe]]
* [[Mount Lethe]]
* [[Mount Naipenset]]
* [[Nexus]] (bottom of dungeon)
* [[Nexus]] (bottom of dungeon)
* [[Obsidian Node Pyramid]]
* [[Old Talisman]] - Much of the Old Talisman dungeon and the POIs immediately outside it.
* [[Old Talisman]] - Much of the Old Talisman dungeon and the POIs immediately outside it.
* [[Progenitor's Lair]]
* [[Progenitor's Lair]]
* [[Renegade Fortress (60+)]]
* [[Renegade Fortress (120+)]]
* [[Sclavus Temple]]
* [[Sclavus Temple]]
* [[Shendolain Vestibule]]
* [[Shendolain Vestibule]]
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==== Aerlinthe ====
==== Aerlinthe ====
* [[Aerlinthe Node Pyramid]]
* [[Ancient Masonry]]
* [[Ancient Masonry]]
* [[Aurlanaa's Aerie]]
* [[Aurlanaa's Aerie]]
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==== Marae Lassel ====
==== Marae Lassel ====
* [[48.3N, 80.5W - Olthoi Dam Structure]]
* [[Caliginous Bethel]] (cultist's altar dungeon)
* [[Caliginous Bethel]] (cultist's altar dungeon)
* [[East Fork Dam Hive]] dungeon + dam POI
* [[Habitat]]
* [[Habitat]]
* [[North Fork Dam Hive]] dungeon (what I could reach) + dam POI
* [[Timaru]]
* [[Timaru]]


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** [[Humid Font]]
** [[Humid Font]]
** [[Muggy Font]]
** [[Muggy Font]]
** [[Roots of the Deru tree]]
** [[Roots of the Deru Tree]]
** [[Steamy Font]]
** [[Steamy Font]]


Latest revision as of 23:34, 15 July 2012

Page Discussion

Level restrictions and recommendations

I generally approve of the cleanup to my earlier cleanup, in regards to the last field having been found. I wanted to note that the entries on level restriction and recommendation were very confusing, so I made changes in that regard. What was missing in the latest revision was the fact that you must be level 50+ to even get a stone. All of the level recommendations that were less than level 50 were completely superfluous and confusing at that point; I see no good in recommending someone be 20+ to complete a segment of a quest that you must be 50+ to initiate.

I understand the styles and conventions of the wiki give level recommendations to quests, and it might indeed be helpful to include these (and I use "might" with great deference, as I find the level recommendations on this wiki to be completely subjective and meaningless), but they should only go in places where the individual recommendation is greater than 50. I removed them all because there are only four fields which have a level requirement higher than 50 and in each case the level recommendation was equal to the level requirement. (One could argue for the Aerfalle field that the recommendation should be a bit higher, but I tend to have difficulty in generating subjective requirements, so I did not include a revised number.)

I don't claim to have used the single "best" approach and would welcome further revisions to my input, but it must remain clear, first and foremost, that one must be at least level 50 to get the stone in the first place. I would prefer not to see level recommendations that do more to confuse than enlighten (ie, less than 50), but I might be convinced otherwise on that point.

On a final note, I put "35" as the level requirement on the two near the obsidian rim portal because that portal, by far the most effective route to the area, has a level 35 requirement. This is not reflected in the wiki entry for this portal, and I will modify it next. It's theoretically possible to reach this area on a level 5, but given the instructions' reference to that portal, it made sense to use its level restriction.
Elije 21:21, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

My bad. I totally blanked on the 50+ req for the quest when I added in those restrictions and suggestions. Thanks for cleaning it up. --An Adventurer 22:21, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Does the chest trick work?

The bottom of the article implies you can open the chest and then close it and allow another to loot. You cannot. The grand chest automatically locks instantly on close. The wiki page should be updated to reflect this. (Unsigned comment, moved here from the bottom of the page in an unrelated section)

I have not personally tested this, but I must assume that it was at least possible to do when written, as he and others have done it. (I've seen a completely separate writeup on a private board for the same thing, with several people who had done it and replied.) The instructions don't explicitly state to *close* the chest, which is perhaps where your experience differs. Perhaps merely opening the chest and logging while it's open will do the trick? Elije 21:37, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

maybe by "open" they mean "unlock". Unlock with one character, quickly switch to another, then open it. I'd assume you could also use this trick by dual logging 2 accounts, which would be perhaps a little safer too. --An Adventurer 22:24, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
I confirmed last night that *unlocking* then switching works. I don't know if *opening* works, but since we know unlocking does, I changed that word in the Notes to prevent any trouble. Elije 15:47, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Checked Locations

See also: this thread on the Turbine Boards Search is complete! All 20 locations have been found. The following is for historical purposes

Standing Stone / Mana Field Locations

Items on this table are the most likely places. They feature 2+ Empyrean Standing Stones, OR a mana restoring field (You feel a great swell of power rise from the ground beneath you, restoring # points of your mana), OR both.

Coords Location Stones? Mana? Response?
45.3S, 61.1W 45.3S, 61.1W - Menhir Ring yes yes #01
46.2S, 71.8W 46.2S, 71.8W - Menhir Ring yes yes #02
14.0N, 59.1E Rithwic Crypt yes yes #03
65.4S, 52.3E 65.4S, 52.3E - Menhir Ring yes yes #04
88.0S, 48.7E Ishilai Lyceum yes yes #05
11.2S, 43.6E 11.2S, 43.6E - Stone Ring yes yes #06
69.7S, 40.1E 69.7S, 40.1E - Menhir Ring yes yes #07
61.7N, 34.1E 61.7N, 34.1E - Menhir Ring yes yes #08
41.9N, 33.3E Holtburg Menhir Ring yes yes #09
19.3N, 17.7E 19.3N, 17.7E - Mount Alphus Menhir Ring yes yes #10
8.2N, 5.4E 8.2N 5.4E - Standing Stone Outlook yes yes #11
16.0N, 1.8E 16.0N, 1.8E - Incomplete Menhir Ring yes yes #12
87.3N, 51.2E Devastated Falatacot Temple no yes #13
87.3N, 41.6E Corrupted Falatacot Temple no yes #14
39.7S, 83.6E
26.3N, 49.6E
12.8N, 0.7E 		Celestial Hand Stronghold (promotions officer area)
Eldrytch Web Stronghold (promotions officer area)
Radiant Blood Stronghold (promotions officer area) 		no yes #15
86.4N, 45.4E Aerfalle's Sanctum yes yes #16
51.5N, 32.6E Northern Resonating Crystal yes yes #17
82.7N, 21.0E Aun Settlement yes yes #18
14.0S, 5.3E Tufa Menhir Ring yes yes #19
49.2N, 74.6W 49.2N, 74.6W - Menhir Ring yes yes #20
52.6S, 46.7E Southern Resonating Crystal yes yes Nothing unusual
44.7N, 80.9W 44.7N, 80.9W - Menhir Ring yes yes Nothing unusual
50.1N, 80.4W 50.1N, 80.4W - Menhir Ring yes yes Nothing unusual
53.0N, 73.3W 53.0N, 73.3W - Menhir Ring yes yes Nothing unusual
46.5N, 75.8W 46.5N, 75.8W - Menhir Ring yes yes Nothing unusual
39.7S, 83.6E
26.3N, 49.6E 		Celestial Hand Stronghold (pit area)
Eldrytch Web Stronghold (pit area) 		no yes Nothing unusual
44.2N, 78.1W Timaru yes no No response
73.5N, 03.2W Menhir Ring of Strife yes no No response
52.8N, 62.4E Menhir Ring of Stasis yes no No response
86.7S, 10.4E Menhir Ring of Artifice yes no No response
30.5S, 74.3W Menhir Ring of Verdancy yes no No response
16.3S, 35.1E Amiantos Bethel yes no No response
85.5N, 43.4E Aerlinthe Lower Reservoir yes no No response
86.4N, 45.4E Aerfalle Keep (drop point) yes no No response
69.9N, 16.6E 69.9N, 16.6E - Menhir Ring yes no No response
40.8N, 35.8E 40.8N, 35.8E - Standing Stones yes no No response
29.0N, 58.7E 29.0N, 58.8E - Drudge Camp yes no No response
92.3N, 55.5E Sclavus Tunnels (final room) no yes No response
81.5N, 25.0E Northwatch Castle Black Market (cave entrance) no yes No response
81.5N, 25.0E Northwatch Castle Black Market (inside) no yes No response
64.0S, 97.5E Freebooter Keep Black Market (cave entrance) no yes No response
64.0S, 97.5E Freebooter Keep Black Market (inside) no yes No response

Other Locations

Osteth

Direlands

Aerlinthe

Aphus Lassel

Dark Isle

Freebooter Isle

Halaetan Isles

Marae Lassel

Moarsman City

Singularity Caul

Vesayen Isles

Vissidal

Other

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